Ep. 569: Pat McGrath 2.0, What Greenpoint Smells Like & The Week’s Beauty News

What would a fragrance inspired by your town or neighborhood smell like? Call and let us know: 646-481-8182. Jess & Jenn got the idea to ask you all after discussing Bond No. 9’s new Gerenpoint perfume. We’re also chatting about Pat McGrath’s appointment to La Beauté Louis Vuitton; the polarizing beauty look at Prada’s runway show; writer Ottessa Moshfegh’s high-fashion collaboration; eyebrow issues after Fraxel; Lush’s latest social activism; the best body wash and lotion for sensitive skin; and a quick (zero plastic!) solution for facial hair. 

Intro:
Fraxel - continued from ep. 567
Angela at Warren Tricomi - Jess’s eyebrow artist
With Love, Meghan - streaming on Netflix
Meghan Sussex - her instagram
Daniel Martin - makeup artist
Vicky Tsai - founder of Tatcha
Tatcha

News:
Prada Fall-Winter 2025 Fashion Show: Raw Glamour
Guido Palau - hairstylist for Prada FW Fashion Show 2025
Lynsey Alexander - makeup artist for Prada FW Fashion Show 2025
Ten Protagonists - by Ottessa Moshfegh
Lush
Lush Tackles Gun Violence with its ‘Bloom A New Day’ Activation
Louis Vuitton to Launch Makeup Line with Pat McGrath as Creative Director - from BOF
Pat McGrath Labs
Bobbi Brown
Jones Road Beauty
Bond No. 9 Greenpoint Fragrance

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. Jenn would love your recommendations of a good dark-chocolate-brown liquid eyeliner. And Julee would love you to recommend liquid eyeliners that don’t transfer. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Liz: HOURGLASS | 1.5mm Mechanical Gel Eyeliner
Listener Lori from New Jersey: FENTY BEAUTY | Flyliner Longwear Liquid Eyeliner
Listener Kourtney from Brooklyn: EM COSMETICS | Brush Tip Illustrative Eyeliner
Listener Ines: SEPHORA | Wink-It Felt Tip Liquid Waterproof Eyeliner - Cup A Joe & EYEKO | Cocoa Edit Black Magic Liquid Eyeliner - Brown
Listener Courtney: TOO FACED | Better Than Sex Easy Glide Waterproof Liquid Eyeliner
Jess: CHANCE OF SUNNY | Original Body Wash and Lotion Duo
Jenn: TWEEZERMAN | Stainless Steel Facial Razor

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How Dianna Cohen Turned A Hair Obsession Into Crown Affair

Crown Affair’s hair products are in the bathrooms (and kits) of so many people who love and work in the beauty industry. How did that happen? Founder Dianna Cohen is here to explain. She shares lessons she learned working on some of the hottest “millennial” brands of the 2010s (Into The Gloss, Away, Outdoor Voices, Harry’s); why marketing isn’t the most important part of building a brand; the difference between hair *care* and hair styling; and why she thinks clips, scrunchies, and combs should be as elegant looking as your other accessories.   

Dianna Cohen - her instagram
Crown Affair
Sarah Brown - her instagram
Emily Weiss - founder of Glossier
Glossier
Into the Gloss
Levitate
Valentino
Tamara Mellon
DS & Durga
Away
Violet Grey
Goop
Moda Operandi
Rahua
Playa
Mason Pearson | Popular Bristle & Nylon Mixture Hair Brush
Mark Townsend - hairstylist
Oribe
Ouai
Virtue
Ara Katz - Co-Founder of Seed
Seed
Carisa Janes - Founder and CEO of Hourglass
Hourglass
Vicky Tsai - Founder of Tatcha
Tatcha
Crown Affair | The Hair Clips
J. Crew Small Tortoise Claw Hair Clip
Crown Affair | The Hair Towel
Crown Affair | The Volumizing Shampoo
Crown Affair | The Dry Shampoo
Crown Affair | The Leave-In Conditioner
Crown Affair | The Texturizing Air Dry Mousse
Crown Affair | The Finishing Gel
Oribe | Dry Texturizing Spray
Patrick Ta | Major Beauty Headlines Double Take Crème & Powder Blush
Westman Atelier | Liquid Blender Brush
Saie | GlossyBounce High-Shine Hydrating Lip Gloss Oil
U Beauty
Biolage | Hydrasource Deep Treatment Multi-Use Hair Mask

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Ep. 568: Makeup-Skincare Hybrids, Aromatherapy At Work & The Week’s Beauty News

Lots of new products (Versed, Rhode, Glow Recipe, Naked Sundays, etc.) claim to be your skincare and makeup in one, but do they really live up to the hype? Jenn hashes it out with Julee. Before that, Julee shares the backstory of a recent cover story she wrote and explains how she ended up modeling for InnBeauty Project’s new campaign. Plus, we’re talking about a perfumed computer mouse, essential oils that will make you feel more alert, a drugstore cleanser that feels like a DIY facial, and the best-selling cleansing oil in South Korea.

Intro:
INNBEAUTY PROJECT - featuring Julee
INNBEAUTY PROJECT | Extreme Cream
Growing Up Zaya Wade - Julee’s article in Seventeen Magazine
CEW Awards - Jenn is a judge; here’s how to enter

News:
The Latest Makeup Skincare Hybrids:
RHODE | Peptide Lip Shape Twist
Maed Beauty The Lip Ritual
Maed Beauty Signature Lip Pigment
Glow Recipe | Watermelon Glow Niacinamide Dewy Flush - Brightening Serum Blush
Versed | Skin Solution Multi-Serum Skin Tint SPF 40
Tonal | Sunveil Skin Defense Foundation
Naked Sundays | Mineral Bronze Drops SPF 50

Science Corner:
ASUS Announces Fragrance Mouse
The Influence of Essential Oils on Human Attention - study from Chemical Senses

Heepsy
Rare Beauty - by Selena Gomez
Skims - by Kim Kardashian
Fenty Beauty - by Rihanna
Savage x Fenty - by Rihanna
Kylie Cosmetics - by Kylie Jenner
Yeezy - by Ye
Dollywood - by Dolly Parton
Dolly Parton | Crystal Edition Parfum
Billionaire Boys Club - by Pharrell
Margaritaville - by Jimmy Buffet
Fabletics - by Kate Hudson
ELEMIS | Pro-Collagen Cleansing Balm




Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. Jenn would love your recommendations of a good dark-chocolate-brown liquid eyeliner. And Julee would love you to recommend liquid eyeliners that don’t transfer. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Amrita: Indian pharmacy products & The Derma Co 1% Hyaluronic Sunscreen Aqua Ultra Light Gel With SPF 50 Pa++++ For Broad Spectrum
Julee: Olay Cleansing Melts & The Telepathy Tapes
Jenn: Ma:nyo pure Cleansing Facial Oil

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The Benefits of Bathing Culture with Robert Hammond

From saunas and jimjilbang to hammams and temazcales, bathing rituals exist in almost every culture around the world—but they’re still not a regular part of many people’s lives. Robert Hammond, the co-founder of New York City’s High Line and president of Therme Group US, wants to change that. He discusses the history of bathhouses in the modern United States, and explains their physical, social, and spiritual benefits. Plus, he tells us about his favorite spots to soak, steam, and plunge and shares an evolving, community-focused vision for the future of bathing culture.

Robert “Robbie” Hammond - his Instagram
Culture of Bathing - Substack for the Culture of Bathing (group that put on the variety show Jenn attended)
The High Line
Therme Group US
Therme Erding - in Germany
Therme Bucuresti - in Romania
Russian Bath
Wall Street Bath
World Spa
Sojo Spa Club
QC Spa
Othership Bathhouse
Mikkel Aaland
Sweat - book by Mikkel Aaland
Perfect Sweat - documentary by Mikkel Aaland
Peter Attia
Sauna Days
Gwyneth Paltrow - her instagram
Spa Castle
Finnish Bathing Society
Baden Baden Thermal Baths
Therme Vals - designed by architect Peter Zumthor

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Ep. 567: Listeners on Sephora Tweens, Animal Testing & The Week’s Beauty News

The Fat Mascara family is part of the show this week! Jess & Jenn share listener voicemails discussing Sephora birthday parties and tweens wearing makeup. We also talk about proposed legislation in California to ban the sale of “anti-aging skincare” to children. Plus, why is the FDA insisting that sunscreens in America should be tested on animals? We’ll discuss that, as well as Jess’s recent adventure with Fraxel, eyeliners for your (dark) chocolate brown years, and two delightful lip treats.

Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or TikTok or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Intro:
Fraxel
Dr. Paul Jarrod Frank - Jess’s dermatologist
Isamaya Ffrench
ISAMAYA - now sold at Sephora
Moda Operandi
ISAMAYA Lip Lacq- Maximising Lip Plumping Serum
ISAMAYA Lips Metal- Sheer Metallic Balm

News:
California Bill Would Ban Kids From Buying Anti-Aging Products
Drunk Elephant
Urban Decay
Michelle Phan
U.S. FDA Confirms New Sunscreen Requirements Mandate Animal Testing - article in BeautyMatter
Krupa Koestline - Cosmetic Chemist
Jeff Brown - Senior Scientist at PETA
Vicki Katrinak - Director of Animal Research and Testing
2025’s Trending Eyeliner Flatters Those in Their 20s and 70s Alike
Clinique Cream Shaper Eyeliner - Chocolate Lustre
Bobbi Brown Long-Wear Gel Eyeliner - Chocolate Shimmer Ink
NYX Professional Makeup Epic Ink Liner - Dark Chocolate

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. Jenn would love your recommendations of a good dark-chocolate-brown liquid eyeliner. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Flo: Caudalie Rose de Vigne Fresh Fragrance & L'Oréal Paris True Match The One Concealer
Jenn: Winky Lux Pink Lemonade Lip Balm
Jess: Neen Glisten Up Lip Gloss - Bye

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Celebrity Facials, Lymphatic Massage & More with Aesthetician Vanessa Marc

What do Zendaya, Hailee Bieber, Cardi B, and Sara Sampaio have in common? They’ve all put their faces (and bodies!) in the hands of aesthetician Vanessa Marc, the founder of Vanessa Marc Studio in New York City. She joins us to talk about why models and celebrities love her treatments, the special needs of melanin-rich skin, the benefits of lymphatic massage and Colombian Wood Therapy tools, and her favorite products and techniques. Plus: Why we should all be getting a massage after a long airplane flight.

Vanessa Marc - her instagram
Vanessa Marc Spa - her website
Maderoterapia (Colombian) Wood Massage Tools - 5-Piece Kit for Lymphatic Drainage & Body Sculpting
Dermalogica Special Cleansing Gel
Dermalogica Multi-Active Toner
Dermalogica Daily Microfoliant
Dermalogica Daily Glycolic Cleanser
Dermalogica Dynamic Skin Recovery SPF 50
Murad Acne Control Clarifying Cleanser
Bling Lash - in NYC
Wet n Wild Color Icon Kohl Liner Pencil
MAC Cosmetics

Ep. 566: Lotion P50 Drama, Big Hair, B Corps & The Week’s Beauty News

People are distraught about the discontinuation of Biologique Recherche’s P50 Lotion (1970 version), but Jenn & Garrett have some replacement suggestions. We’re also talking about Jenn’s filler (Garrett approves!); how teens feel about celebrity beauty brands; hair trends at New York Fashion Week; why Dr. Bronner’s is no longer a B Corp (and what B Corp status even means); and doctors taking Ozempic. Plus, Jenn answers a listener question, and we raise wands to a DIY lymph-massage tool and a dupe for a very famous Diptyque candle. 

Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or TikTok or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Intro:
Rare Beauty
Rhode

News:
Lacy Redway - hairstylist for Christian Siriano FW2025
Mustafa Yanaz - hairstylist for Collina Strada FW2025
Sonny Molina - hair stylist for Christopher John Rogers FW2025
B Lab
Dr. Bronner's is Dropping its B Corp Certification
Weleda
Ursa Major
Aesop
Davines
Nespresso: Known for Human Rights Violations, Now B Corp Certified - from 2022
Dr. Bronner's Lavender Castile Liquid Soap Body Wash
Dr. Bronner's Sal Suds Biodegradable Cleaner
The Physicians Really Are Healing Themselves, With Ozempic - from The New York Times
R.I.P. to Biologique Recherche’s P50 1970 Toner
Biologique Recherche’s P50 1970 Toner
Biologique Recherche’s P50 PGIM 400
Thayers 2% Aha Exfoliating Toner
Paula's Choice Skin Perfecting 2% BHA Liquid Exfoliant
Pixi Beauty Glow Tonic
Weleda Pore-Refining Toner

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. Jess is especially interested in hearing about those beauty products you think only you know about. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener MJ: Makeup by Mario SurrealSkin 16HR Soft Setting Spray & Paula’s Choice Pro-Collagen Peptide Plumping Moisturizer
FYI: MJ asked about Herbal Face Food & G Beauty Products (not Gee Beauty, a reputable company!)
Garrett: Fascia Blaster Massage Tool
Jenn: Phlur Currant Crush Candle - the Diptyque Baies dupe (shhh!)

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French Girl Beauty with Violette Serrat

Makeup artist Violette Serrat, the founder of Violette_FR, makes the je ne sais quoi of French Girl style and beauty accessible to everybody. She shares her rebellious approach to makeup, the homeopathic skin drops she uses, why skin needs to rest, the key to good “sex hair,” and why eyeshadow looks better when it’s “slowly dying.” This interview originally aired in 2020 and has been re-edited and includes a new introduction. 

Violette Serrat - her instagram
Violette_Fr - her makeup line
Violette_Fr | Yeux Paint in Dieu Bleu
Mün Skin Akwi Purifying Cleanser
Biologique Recherche Fluide VIP O2
Granions de Selenium or Granions d'Or - the homeopathic ampoules (they might not be available in the U.S., sorry!)
Glossier | Cloud Paint - Puff
NARS | Single Eyeshadow - Outremer
Sephora Colorful Shadow & Liner in My Boyfriend's Jeans - discontinued
Milk Makeup Tattoo Stamp in Black Star - discontinued
IGK | Hot Girls Hydrating Shampoo - discontinued
IGK | Hot Girls Hydrating Conditioner - discontinued
Bumble and bumble Invisible Oil Primer spray
Herbivore Sea Mist in Coconut + Sea Salt
Urban Decay Perversion Mascara - discontinued
El Nabil | Musc Blanc Eau de Parfum
Walk Through Walls: A Memoir

Ep. 565: Drugstore Beauty Shopping, Hair Salon Etiquette & The Week’s Beauty News

Jess & Jenn ponder the future this week! We talk more about kids having birthday parties at beauty stores, and then: why beauty shopping at drugstores is so unpleasant; advice for switching hair stylists; layoffs at Estée Lauder Companies; Paulina Porizkova returning to Lauder; navigating trade shows; manicures featuring NFC (Near-Field Communication) chips; glycolic acid as deodorant (and a new version of whole body deodorant); and faux flower arrangements that are especially good for cat owners.

Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or TikTok or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Intro:
Kids Are Having Birthday Parties at Sephora Now - continued from ep. 564
Jacob Schmidt - Senior Colorist at Sally Hershberger Nomad
What do you think about kids having birthday parties at beauty stores? Call us and share your thoughts: 646-481-8182.

News:
Job Cuts At Estée Lauder, Up To 11% Or 7,000 Employees, After Sales Decline
Paulina Porizkova Returns to Estée Lauder as Global Brand Ambassador
Lancôme
Shiseido
Why Drugstores Still Aren’t Beauty Hubs
Science Corner:
The Microchip Manicure
Chipped Tips | The Devil Works Hard Press-on Nails

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Call us to tell us about a product you love, ask a beauty question, or share your thoughts on anything we talk about on the podcast: 646-481-8182. Jess is especially interested in hearing about those beauty products you think only you know about. You can also text that number or email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Marina: Charlotte Tilbury | Airbrush Flawless Setting Spray
Jenn: Surface Deep | Anti-Odorant Spray
Jess: Diane James Home | Tres Chic Faux Florals

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Hidden Dangers of the Med Spa Industry with Dr. Kate Dee

Are you risking your health at unregulated med spas? Dr. Kate Dee, author of Med Spa Mayhem and owner of Glow Medispa in Seattle, reveals the shocking truth about America's aesthetic clinics. In this episode, she explains how to identify if a med spa is operating legally; the risks of unregulated treatments; and how lasers, cosmetic filler, microneedling, and IV treatments can go wrong. Plus, she shares her vision for improving industry standards. Tune in to learn how to protect yourself and demand better from the med spa industry.

Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or TikTok or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Intro:
Dr. Kate Dee
A Manhattan Aesthetician Arrested and Charged with Wire Fraud and Smuggling After Injecting Patients at His Medical Spa with Counterfeit Botox
Woman Falsely Claiming to be a Nurse Injected Fake Botox
A ‘Butt Lift’ from an Illicit Philadelphia Med Spa Sent a Woman to the Hospital with a Raging Infection

Interview:
Medspa Mayhem Podcast - Dr. Kate Dee’s podcast
Med Spa Mayhem: The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly Secrets Of The Aesthetic Industry - Dr. Dee’s book
certificationmatters.org - use this website from the American Board of Medical Specialties to find out if your doctor (or the medical director of your spa) is certified
nursys.com - use this website to look up a nurse and confirm their license status

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